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Postby Ξv!L_tony » Mon May 08, 2017 10:52 am

Heyho nerds,

I could need you help. The mainboard of my PC started to give up already last year, it is still running good, but it got "blackouts" from time to time. I'm sure it will survive even one more year, but I also don't want to wait until the living room is on fire.

The other problem is the laptop of Boo which is turning more and more into a toaster and I'm afraid if we keep on using it for gaming, it will give up before my PC does.

So, I need 2 new PC's ... it doesn't need to be the most expensive high end gaming PC's since we mostly play only L4D, but it would still be nice to be able to play the latest new games at least for 1 or 2 years.

I'm not the biggest geek, but since Ryzen got released I currently would go for AMD and it would be nice if you could comment the following list. Maybe some of you got some experience or would suggest something else. This is by far not a final list, it's more or less only my first thoughts.

In the case of Boo, we need to replace a Laptop, so also a monitor and other peripheries will be needed.

1. MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon mainboard - 190€
2. AMD Ryzen 5 1600 WRAITH - 223€
3. Scythe Katana 4 CPU cooler - 25€
4. ASUS Radeon RX 580 ROG STRIX Gaming OC - 320€
5. HyperX DIMM 16GB DDR4-2133 Kit - 135€
6. Thermaltake Berlin 630W - 60€
7. Samsung MZ 75E250B 250 GB SSD - 95€
8. Thermaltake Chaser MK-I case - 135€ (just an option to see how much it could cost)
9. Mouse & Keyboard - 65€
10. DVD burner - 15€
11. ASUS VG248QE monitor - 270€

In total that would be around 1500€ ... since I don't need a new monitor, mouse and keyboard (even if it would be nice to have) it could end up with 2500€.

I will be happy about every comment and suggestion about something that can be compared with this "price-performance ratio" ;)
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Re: New PC

Postby FaFlFaMa » Mon May 08, 2017 11:55 am

Different power supply and case at least :P Will post sth later^^
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Re: New PC

Postby Ξv!L_tony » Mon May 08, 2017 12:02 pm

That aren't the parts I worry about, easy to replace on my list. Would also go for Corsair, CoolerMaster or be Quiet.
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Re: New PC

Postby freakymachine » Mon May 08, 2017 12:12 pm

1. MSI X99A Mainboard - 189€
2. Intel Xeon E5-2620V4 - 200€ Ebay / 440 € Vendor-list
3. Scythe Katana 4 CPU cooler - 25€
4. ASUS Radeon RX 580 ROG STRIX Gaming OC - 320€
5. 4x4GB=16GB Kingston Fury DDR4-2133 Quad-Kit - 144€
6. Bequit 600W - 60€
7. Samsung Evo 960 M2-NVME 250 GB SSD - 130€
8. Thermaltake Chaser MK-I case - 135€ (just an option to see how much it could cost)
9. Mouse & Keyboard - 65€
10. DVD burner - 15€
11. ASUS VG248QE monitor - 270€

Major Difference to System before ;

1. X99A Mainboard supports Quad-Channel DDR4, instead of only Dual-Channel = 100% more power on Ram, 30GB/sec in Dual-Channel, 60GB/sec in Quadchannel.

2. The Intel Xeon E5-2620V4 has already 8 Cores, instead of the 6-Core AMD.
The AMD Mainboard will stop at 8-cores, no more, for 16-core they are building a new Mainboard/maybe even new socket.

The Powerdifference between an E5-2620v4 and a e5-2630V4 are like 30% !!
And the list goes on ; E5-2640,50,60,70,80,90,99 ..in like 30% steps, up to the E5-2699V4 with 22 Cores, which also can run on the X99A.

Usually we have like 30% increasing Steps from like one complete Generation to another one. With the Xeon, you get like 30% alone from one model, to the next model.
I personally had an E5-2603V3, now i use an E5-2609V4, which does like 40% more power than my one i had before.

5. Due Quad-Channel-Ram, you need 4 Modules, instead of 2, so just split the 2x8GB into 4x4GB.

6. I consider Bequiet PSU, better than Thermaltake today. But well, they all can die^^

7. Since the New Mainboards have all the so-called M2-Slot, use it :) The Evo 850 does 550MB/secc, the Evo960 does 1900MB/sec and costs only 20 € more.

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Else small Edit to graphic-card, maybe dont buy such a monster for now, next-gen GPU coming soon, so the prices will drop into basement for old GDDR5 Graphiccards, like it happened to GDDR3 Cards, when GDDR5 became standard. Next-Gen will be using GDDR5X, which is currently used for e.g. on the Geforce 1080ti, mainreason why its so good and expansive. On the next-Gen Geforce 2060 it will be standard. (or might be)
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Re: New PC

Postby hexxor » Mon May 08, 2017 9:36 pm

If you don't want to blow loads of money. Look for old company intel systems like the HP or Dell units and buy another hard drive and graphics card. That way you get a decent pc to use for years and spend as little money as possible.
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Re: New PC

Postby freakymachine » Tue May 09, 2017 1:59 am

True-true^^ ..maybe I read one part not so detailed.

If you really want for now a PC for like max 2 years, could skale some parts brutally down ; Will be still enough for most upcoming games, at least a while.

1. MSI A320M (70 €)
2. AMD Ryzen 5 1400 (168 €)

I bet the mainboard is so small, it might die, exactly after 2 years, after arranty is over :)

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Second ; As i wrote, for the AMD Ryzen 9, they are building a x399 Mainboard, which will look and work very similar to the Intel X99. But it might also have new Socket ?! Also works with Quad-Channel DDR4, should be out in 2 Months ?!, till then Market might have changed a bit again.

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OR ofc maybe even take some mid-age used PC-Parts from Ebay, Z170 Mainboard costs also 70 € on Ebay, CPU start at 100 € and end around 250 €.

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Or, to spare some money, still take the X99, but start with tiny cheap 100 € CPU and only 2x4GB ram, take old used Graphiccard for time beeing, technically you can buy every 2 years a new midrange-Graphcard. Later you can always go a 16-Core Cpu/Brandnew graphcard/64GB Ram. The System will start to outdate when DDR5 for Mainboards arrive - Even then, I predict X99 might be outdated for good, similar to x58, 10 Years after release, so that might be in 2024 ?! :) ( Even then it might be still more than good enough, looking at X58 today :) )
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Re: New PC

Postby Ξv!L_tony » Tue May 09, 2017 7:22 am

So generally you are suggesting me to buy used parts instead of mid-range products since I don't want/need a high end PC.
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Re: New PC

Postby canveyboy » Tue May 09, 2017 1:59 pm

If you are using AMD mobo, I would go for a nvidia graphic card.

Make sure you get a good PSU power unit, the cheap ones are just not worth the hassle.
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Re: New PC

Postby Ξv!L_tony » Tue May 09, 2017 2:29 pm

I was actually thinking if I get a AMD CPU and MSI ADM board, it makes sense to take MSI AMD GPU. That's just an example, but I thought taking products of the same company because there should be less conflicts.

Sure I would also prefer to take Nvidea and Intel, but they cost like twice that much for the same performance.
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Re: New PC

Postby freakymachine » Tue May 09, 2017 10:17 pm

Nobody wwants you to have a better pc than ourselves :P

So get a Pentium 3^^

And yes, well Power-Supply ;

From Like whatever, 1994 to 2015 ?! i was like "Always buy expansive, massive, heavy PSU, Quality, industrial Standard"
So my last-last one was an Enermax Supudupafly 259 € PSU with 700 Watt...which died like 2.5 years after install and took parts of my old X58 System to death....Thank you Enermax! ..Tja well, turns out, they dont produce themselves anymore, arent the Quality which it was before.
Now im on PSU a bit idea-less. They all can die, but shouldnt take your PC with it.
Nowadays I hear often "Be-quit" - has lowest return rate ?! + had one seen, which died in a PC, but didnt damage any part. Since then, i buy/install nearly only Be-Quit fornow.
I guess i will see in 5 years+ how good the rate of these PSU's really are. (Sofar I had 0 Return on at least 20 installed past years)

Else ; nice to mention fornow ; Quad-Channel wont give you any Frame more in Games, it just gives you the current "max" Speed possible, if the memory is ever asked to do shitload of stuff + The current Situation that CPU's around 12-Cores cant be fed anymore with Dual-Channel, they can, but it will bottleneck them.

Nearly every game coming out these days are already able to run x-Cores. Every modern Game does already start to stretch out 8-Cores. Win10 skales easy with 16 Cores and more. Its the Trend ; CPU's "arent getting faster" - 3,3 Ghz is like average for nearly past 10 Years, but the number of Cores are exploding. So be careful, buying last Generations of 4-Core - or at least know ; it will/might be last Generation of it.

In that case I rly recommend to wait for AMD 16-Core Platform, to see about performance and price.
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