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Re: New PC

Postby Ξv!L_tony » Fri May 12, 2017 4:45 pm

Come on guys, the a community and forum foll of gamers, we all got a PC and I just want to know what you would buy, if you need a new PC right now!
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Re: New PC

Postby canveyboy » Fri May 12, 2017 5:08 pm

I am still on my AMD FX9590 8 core cpu, stock speed is 4.7GHz and will happily run at 5GHz as advertized.
I have 16 gig of 2133 ram
I am even still using my two old HD7770 graphic cards in crossfire mode.

It is the fastest CPU I have had and nothing stretches the performance of it.
You will need to use a H100i closed water loop cooler with it (and change the fans on it to make it run quiet as the stock are noisy)

So even though I built this one about 3 years ago, I would still go for my set up even today.


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Re: New PC

Postby Jormu » Fri May 12, 2017 6:41 pm

Here is my rig:
1. Crucial 16 GB DDR4-2133 € 109
2. Intel Core i5-6600K 3,5 Ghz 3500 1151 BOX € 279 (i choose for overclocking and not having an i7, overclocks stable for months now with 4,6 ghz but mind the power supply and what extra power you need to give it to not fry it)
3. MSI Z170A TOMAHAWK AC Z170 € 172 (because wifi)
4. MSI 8GB D5 GTX 1070 Gaming X 8G € 509 (best cheapest one for 1070 card which fits my needs)
5. Scythe Mugen 5 SCMG-5000 € 47
6. Sharkoon WPM600 Bronze 600W ATX €60
7. Zalman Z11 Plus red ATX €69 (i liked the model and it's very silent, no dust inside and even my graphics card stays below 50 degrees when playing GTA 5 on ultra)

And the some other shit like ssd drives/hard drive and monitor and another fan.
in total € 1500
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Re: New PC

Postby freakymachine » Sun May 14, 2017 11:59 am

Yay, i loved the old AMD FX Series, but the later ones on Bulldozer-Architecture, i didnt like so much.

They used a so called "Modules" - one module = 2 Cores.
But what AMD was able to do with "8-Cores", Intel was able to do with 4 cores.
Was long discussion, are 4-Modules, 8 Cores ? Answer came long time later, when like one Core was defined as one independent Core, which is able to do what it wants - due AMD Module-design they were not able to do that. When one non-devideable order came in, only one part of the module was able to execute it, while other one was doomed to do nothing.

With which program you run the Benchmark ? want to do too^^ - not that mine is also 8-core, but super-slow clock-speed, yet extreme modern, 14nm built, low on heat and powerconsumption. Might ofc diminish it, 14nm is impressive and the input goes up to 60gb/sec.

Else, i rly, barely can recommand an Core i7 6000/7000/8000 Series anymore.
Core i7 6700 costs 280 €..has 4 cores - go ebay, get an Xeon E5-2530v4 - costs also 280 €, but has 8 Cores ..100% more power/cores for 0% more cost. Only other Mainboard needed..which also costs 1 € less, than the standard/good core i7 board. + small benefit of quad-channel, instead of dual-channel.

I dont know why that happened, but its reality :) Buy Core i7 and you pay 100% too much, for half of power you could get instead.

Currently playing Anno 2205, due arm slightly injured, no idea, cant melee or hold fire in left4dead, the constant moving kills my arm after max 30min. So im in Anno lately^^ ..and gooddamn...even 16gb ram can be too less nowadays, can screenshot it..after a time/mapswitches etc, my anno+windows eats up 15.8GB! - CPU has still some space left, maybe 20%, same for graphiccard, but ram, ddr4 in quad...is at limit..unbelieveable, but true. Not that game runs like heaven, loading big cities done in like 5 seconds.

Well, else news for Core i9 are coming daily in. ( They wanted to call Intels first 6-core already Core i9, thats like 10 years ago ?! )
But also news for AMDs Ryzen 9 are heating up much too, guess thats why Intel suddenly starts Core i9.

Important to know ; On the X99 Mainboard you can run Xeon processors, the big ones, up to 22-Cores. On the next X299 not! (at least they say that for now) - the max on the x299 will be an 12-core Core i9 ?! ...which will be like a step back, compared to the x99 with 22 cores. I guess Intel hadnt Amds Ryzen on their Screen coming soon with 16 Cores, so they are under big pressure, cause AMD also built a 32-Core Serverversion, where Intel only has now 28 Cores, so they already need to restart thinking a lot! ..(Rumors has it, that AMD already is working on Project "Starchip" - 48 Cores)

Enough for now^^
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Re: New PC

Postby FaFlFaMa » Thu May 18, 2017 10:20 pm

  • MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon/ MSI Z270 GAMING PRO CARBON
  • Ryzen 5 1600x / i5 7600k
  • Scythe Katana 4/ Scythe Mugen 4 SCMG-4000/ Noctua NH-U9B SE2
  • SAPPHIRE Radeon RX 580 PULSE/ PowerColor Radeon RX 580 Red Devil / 
    MSI GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming X 6G
  • HyperX DIMM 16GB DDR4-2133 Kit/ G.Skill DIMM 16GB DDR4-2133 Kit
  • be quiet! Pure Power 10 500W/ Corsair CS550M 550W
  • Samsung MZ 75E250B 250 GB 
  • Nanoxia Deep Silence 3/ be quiet! PURE BASE 600

My Thing would be go for Ryzen I think. And for the GPU AMD VEGA should be released real soon and should be way better than the current AMDs.
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Re: New PC

Postby Ξv!L_tony » Fri May 19, 2017 7:14 am

I'm also hoping for the VEGA, but it might be pretty expensive at the beginning and it will also be the first generation, until there is something from MSI for example, summer will be over. Furthermore I kinda prefer Intel, my last GPU was ADM, it still works great, but it took a good while until it was cooperating with the rest of my system perfectly.

Case will probably be bequiet, but the Silent Base 800 and maybe a 650W PSU. Since I don't know Sycthe CPU coolers, I would also go for Noctua or even bequiet.
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Re: New PC

Postby FaFlFaMa » Fri May 19, 2017 12:04 pm

AMD GPU: Sapphire/Powercolor and for PSU I would take BeQuiet/Corsair/Seasonic/Lepa. And if you take a 650W take on that is more expensive than the ones I said. Like the thermaltake it will most likely not be able to really deliver 6xxW. just for peaks.
And for AMD/Intel I used each combinations for long times and never had problems.
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Re: New PC

Postby freakymachine » Sat May 20, 2017 1:48 pm

Go get a Xeon/X99 instead, the Carbon mainboards costs 180 €, x99 too.

Yet the power you get back, is something different ;

http://www.ebay.de/itm/162487569237?_tr ... EBIDX%3AIT Ryzen 1700x for 304 €

http://www.ebay.de/itm/162435089103?_tr ... EBIDX%3AIT Xeon 2630v4 for 317 €

http://www.technikaffe.de/cpu_vergleich ... _1700x-706 and yet both are fighting for crown, same power, same price, more or less.

Ryzen is good, but stops for now at 8 Cores, everything after will need new Mainboard.
Core i7 7700 Series is "weaker", older and will get update soon too in Core i7 8000 Series.

Also dont forget the advantage of Quadchannel, while other one only has Dual-Channel + the superoption ! Xeon E5-2660v4 for e.g. 14-core. Which you can put later on the same board, without thinking again of new/better/next-gen Mainboard/CPU again 250 € for Board/300 € for next CPU - for the 2660V4 Intel and AMD must first built a complete new CPU Generation, there is nothing which can take it on with a 14-core Xeon, not even the mighty 10-Core Intel Extreme Edition 6950X for 1800 €... to take that one on, which might be in Desktop earliest 2020 ?! Even the new Intel X299 wont be able to surpass that one..
OFC they want you to buy every now and then new parts, but you can ignore that and get the Big-Chipsets instead x35,x58,x79 and x99 - x58 is soon 10 years old, yet the old top-model Core i7 990x is still in some ways undefeated, not even a core i7 7600 can surpass it in all Technologies.
So till an X99 with a 22 Core is surpassed by a Desktop Core i7..might be something around 2022 ?! maybe ?!
We never know ofc :)

Still, why pay like 200 € for Board and another 300 € for CPU = 500 € Base-Kit and get X-power out of it, when you know, you can get for the same price! like either 20% more, up to sometimes 80% more power + the option you can upgrade "infinite" (22-Core Xeon 1500 € on Ebay)

small edit ; http://www.technikaffe.de/cpu_vergleich ... 7_7700-665 rather go ryzen ?! Intels Core i7 7000er Series is not considered to be "clean"/"stable", due it seems they had problems with their producing, so it turned out ; you test 20x core i7 7700 on the same Board/config and get 20x different Benchmakrs out of it, cause the cpus are not identical, one has more stable frequenzy than the others - bad option, failed producing, ofc thats something you dont want to admit as a company :), nor tell the customer :)

[like "buy x99 instead, they dont want to, they want you, to get every 2 years a 200 € board = 1000 €, instead of 1x in 10 years one 200 € x99 board, thats not how they make money :) ]

( here the one for the i7 7700 http://www.technikaffe.de/cpu_vergleich ... 7_7700-665)
( or compared old 2600k vs 7700k, http://www.technikaffe.de/cpu_vergleich ... i7_2600k-6
like 40% more power, in 7 years development, spread over 3 sockets and countless chipsetnames from h67 to h270, you can have that in xeon-numbers by like from 2620 to 2640 )
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Re: New PC

Postby freakymachine » Sat May 20, 2017 4:27 pm

Ah well, im used to machines usually up to 1.5 Tons weight^^
I do machines since 1989. So i know basically every step from 8086 to Xeon Phi.

1. Story :

There were once many architectures ;

Sun Ultrasparc, IBM AIX/Z/Power, Motorolla, SGI, Cray, HP PA-Risc, DEC Alpha, MIPS,
aand Intel&AMD

Step by step, either companys failed due stupid or were outclassed, were bought off.
DEC for e.g. failed/were outclassed, bought off by Intel and they built the "Itanium", but were slowly outclassed by their own Xeons.
Sun also had troubles in various ways, but also felt the raising pressure by Intel Xeon family. Motorolla lives on in IBM. IBM stopped AIX, went more for the POWER-Architecture, which is currently too feeling the market-pressure of Intel.
And so on.

2. Now :

Now we live in a world were this picture may summon up quickly ;

http://www.technikaffe.de/cpu_vergleichen - bit scroll under, check Top 10 CPU`s - all Xeon.

3. Critics

Intel x86 is maybe not the best architecture, has some flaws and handicaps, but its "enough" for most things and econimical nearly unbeatable in running costs, upgrades, and getting it compared to an IBM AIX or SUN Ultrasparc or AMD Opterons.


4. Competetor

Well, AMD might shift the cards a bit with upcoming 32 Core, since Intel has currently only 28 to held against. Which is in Supercomputers, if you put up to 65536 CPU * either 28 or 32 cores quite a big difference :)

5. What we get out of it

In the end we get the derivates of those machines, castrated sometimes you could say.
So compared to a x58 chipset/ Core i7 920, for e.g. the h67/Core i7 820 is just a castrated, small derivate, ofc beeing able to be sold cheaply, not everyone has the money for an full Xeon Computer.

6. Today

Nowadays its weird ?! idk - look at ebay, as shown, full-Class Server Dual-Socket Xeon, unkastrated, edited, runs on standard x99 mainboard. Cause in the end a Core i7 5820k and a Xeon 2620v3 are basically the same. No need to sperate them, AMD might do the same, they have now the Ryzen Core and will extend that the next years a lot, both in low-range, midrange and enterprise sektor, cause one core is enough to challenge everything nowadays, 20 years ago...it was Ultrasparc for that use, IBM AIX for that one.

7. Tip

Dont get distracted by adverts, too many Benchmarks. Get what is basically the Core-Step of development. So much for "wait for Vega" - well YES!! cause it maybe very important core-step for Graphiccards which might held for the next 8 years. Turning everything else before into piece of old copper :)

In all that coming and going.

AMD Ryzen 7 is just the start to take on Intel again. Wait for Ryzen9/16-Core platform, that will be the thing to have from 2017 to 2022
(or x99^^, cause x299 will not support Xeons[tleast they say that])
Intels Core i7 7000 series is last Quadcore design, 8000er Series, just a panic try to compete against AMD. AMD will take over for a bit the Serversector, cause they have a 32-Core and 48 Core design coming up. And so on, its always wrong point to buy stuff...but some are more bad than others^^ (at least wait 10 days after computex)
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Re: New PC

Postby hexxor » Sun May 21, 2017 11:30 am

Just look at something like this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-Z400-Works ... SwA3dYKD6I

Change the PSU and GPU with something else and you're all set!
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